“It is not creative minds that produce revolutions, but the obstinate conservatism of established authority.” PDF Print E-mail
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Saturday, 23 January 2010 05:03

“A time will come when a politician who has wilfully made war and promoted international dissension will be as sure of the dock and much surer of the noose than a private homicide. It is not reasonable that those who gamble with men's lives should not stake their own.”

H.G. Wells (1866-1946), The Salvaging of Civilization (1922)

You can download a copy of it from here. Either as a PDF (a big 18.2MB) or browse it online in “book” form:

the salvaging of civilization

(I used GIMP to highlight the relevant passage).

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avatar jassy
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every leader has BIG responsibility and i've read from my elementary books a story about the leaders who can get all the glory but after his term, he will be beheaded. our country could benefit if that is to happen...=)
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avatar richard
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He wrote this after the First World War. I started reading the book and it is quote interesting.

Of course, similar style of writings came out after World War Two by people like Orwell and Camus.
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avatar mattbg
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Sounds about right to me. But, in a democracy, what about the people that put him there? He would not be there without them. He is, in theory, acting in their interests. And if that's not true, then democracy isn't quite what we thought it was...

Of course, my view is that they usually ARE acting in the interests of the people that elected them. The people just don't want to acknowledge it. People who insist on living a lifestyle that can only be sustained with expansion of borders and the domination of remote resources are asking for war to be waged, no matter how much they pretend to be kind.

I think the thing we have to worry about now is the "Brave New World" part, not the "1984" part -- that we will be willingly enslaved and enjoy it, rather than have it imposed from outside.
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avatar richard
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But ... democracy doesn't work. People fracture into tribes and refuse to cooperate as a whole - instead, working on their interests and not on the interests of the whole. Worse yet, the tend to actively interfere and impede the activity of others.

Besides, in a first past the post system (which seems to be many democracies), a minority can elect a majority government - as we see all too often in Canada (like Chretien winning a majority government with only 38.5% of the popular vote in 1997).

It is less evident South of the border, where they only have two political parties, but if they had a viable third or 4th party, then they would have similar problems with unbalanced representation.

People like the "Brave New World" because it is what they are familiar with. People are extremely resistant to change. Look at what happened in Russia after COmmunism fell - there was a strong movement for the good old days of Communism (ok, ok, not that Russia is any good example of democracy - the people have never known any sort of freedom or automomy in their lives, so they feel comfortable with being lorded over).
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avatar mattbg
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Democracy does work!

Except for a few weird mutations (1930s Germany), it creates very stable societies. Isn't that the ultimate goal?

Even if it requires propaganda, mind control, etc to make citizens feel OK with something and that they came to a conclusion by themselves and had a say in the process. And, freedom of speech as pressure valves to allow the pressure to escape without building up to dangerous levels.

Ultimately, it is all about creating a stable society in which people can go about their day-to-day lives in peace. Regardless of whether it's real or not, people believe it is... and it *is* more real than any of the alternatives... and that's all that matters.
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avatar richard
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DOes it? Is the goal fo democracy to create stable societies? Stable societies for whom? The Parliamentary system of democracy only came about because of events in France - seeking to maintain their own lives of privilige, teh nobility in England agreed to a sort of "power sharing" and called it democracy. The Republican model certainly has its faults too - with regards to stability: plentiful strikes in France, 1967 Detroit riots in the U.S. (or perhaps that little thing called a Civil War).

Stability primarily exists in autoritarian societies. Iraq was far more stable under Saddam Hussein than it is now. Afghanistan was far more stable under the Taliban than it is now.

Democracy is rarely applied and used in teh world. The military, often considered a cornerstone of a functioning democracy, is hardly a model of democracy - in fact it is very top-down authoritarian. The Justice system, another pillar of democracy, is not democratic.

Democracy's primary virtue is that it tends to be more permissive and tolerant than other forms of government.

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